This is our liveblog for AMD’s Zen 3 reveal. Join us as we analyze the reveal of AMD’s upcoming Zen 3 CPUs in real time. The presentation starts at 12 PM EST, but if you get here early, then feel free to read on to get a summary of our prior Zen 3 coverage.
Our first exclusive about Zen 3 was published in April. In this article, we detailed Zen 3’s primary innovations: the 8 core CCX, a unified L3 cache, and 10-15% increased IPC. AMD actually leaked those first two things in a presentation that was uploaded to YouTube by accident, but we provided never before seen details on IPC and the size of the L3 cache, which many theorized would be enlarged but according to our info the cache is still 32 MB. Had AMD not leaked this info themselves, this very well could have been the first time we ever heard about the 8 core CCX.
We published a followup in July that elaborated further on the IPC increase, and also provided details on clock speeds and the schedule Zen 3 processors were on. We reported that Zen 3’s IPC improvement was almost entirely from integer operations; this improvement to integer performance is about 15% according to our info. We also said that we expected a modest clock speed gain on single threaded to lowly threaded workloads. Based on internal roadmaps and reports from our sources, we expected Zen 3 chiplet production to begin in September, leaving little time between production and product launch.
Our second exclusive was slightly controversial because we expected the increase to floating point performance to be very low, nowhere near the theorized 50% improvement. Thankfully, we could actually determine whether or not there will be a significant improvement to floating point performance thanks to publicly available details on the upcoming Anvil supercomputer which uses Milan CPUs based on Zen 3. By taking the known performance and core count of the supercomputer, we determined that if there was a significant floating point improvement, the CPUs would be running at an extremely low frequency, far too low to make sense. Assuming that there would be no floating point improvement, clock speeds would be similar to Rome’s, which is what we expect.
Finally, we recently reported on a leaked benchmark which showed the 5800X beating the 10900K in Ashes of the Singularity by 16%. The victory on the part of AMD wasn’t shocking, but what was surprising was the name of the CPU, the 5800X. This is a strong indication that AMD is skipping the 4000 series name for Zen 3. This probably happening because of the Renoir based 4000 series APUs. AMD doesn’t want there to be further naming confusion with the APUs (Ryzen 3000 CPUs were Zen but Ryzen 3000 APUs were Zen+, for instance) and if AMD calls the upcoming Zen 3 CPUs Ryzen 4000, people might assume they’re only as powerful as the Zen 2 based Renoir chips. So, it seems we are looking forward to the 5000 series today, not the 4000 series.
And that does it for our history of Zen 3 coverage. AMD’s presentation should be starting soon if you’ve made it this far.
3080 gets 76fps in GoW5 (on a 9900K) and Big Navi gets 73fps on a 5000-series AMD cpu. BL3 3080 is 69 vs Big Navi's 61. 2080 Super is 40 and 2080 Ti is 50. This certainly helps put to bed the fears that it would only compete against the 3070. It also means it won't beat the 3080 by any significant margin either.
3080 gets 76fps in GoW5 (on a 9900K) and Big Navi gets 73fps on a 5000-series AMD cpu. This certainly helps put to bed the fears that it would only compete against the 3070. It also means it won't beat the 3080 by any significant margin either.
Thank you all for watching, and sorry that we didn't have any images, we wanted to use the back end but it didn't work for some reason. We'll fix that for the next live blog on October 28th. Catch you later guys.
By the way our article is up. https://adoredtv.com/amd-announces-ryzen-5000-series-based-on-zen-3/
So, my thoughts: surprising claimed IPC improvement, unsurprising performance claim. Not that AMD's claim was bad, it was just in line with my expectations. The unified cache and 8 core CCX does wonders for gaming. But we'll have to verify these claims in our own review.
Well that was fairly low key, partly thanks to the lack of an audience.
And it seems the show is over.
61 FPS Border lands 3, COD MW 88 FPS, 73 Gears 5.
CoD MW, 88fps 4K, Gears of War 5, 73fps, BL3 61fps.
CoD MW, 73fps 4K, BL3 61fps.
Borderlands 3 benchmark, 60+fps 4K.
60+ FPS at 4K.
Borderlands 3 benchmark.
Okay RX 6000 series announced, Big Navi also official.
Radeon teaser!
I see a Radeon in the background...
No staggered launch this generation it seems.
Gaming is close however.
5950X crushes 10900K thanks to way more cores and way stronger cores.
Lots more gaming and productivity performance, unsurprising.
640 Cinebench single-core score
5950X, 4.9GHz boost. 105W
5950X with 4.9 GHz boost, just shy of 5.
5900X 3.7Ghz, 4.8 boost $549
5800X 3.8Ghz, 4.7 boost $449
5600X 3.7Ghz, 4.6 boost $299
November 5th.
5900X 3.7Ghz, 4.8 boost $549
5800X 3.8Ghz, 4.7 boost $449
5700X 3.7Ghz, 4.6 boost $299
November 5th.
$50 price bump over the entire stack, Nov 5 availability.
Prices are up.
Yep, base clock speeds are down.
Oh so now AMD is saying people who just game should get AMD, interesting flip on the Zen 2 story.
Looks like a 10% average victory over Intel.
AMD claims modest win over 10900K.
5900X hits 631 on Cinebench single-core.
5900X hits 631 on Cinebench.
631 t0 5900X, 544 to 10900K.
I wonder what the other 24 were..
5900X looking alot faster than the 10900K in CBR20.
"Strong gaming performance relies on strong single core performance"
26% gaming performance improvement on average. BF5 is only 5% btw.
Far Cry New Dawn at 22%.. that's what I wanted to see!
But we will see if this all stands in the reviews.
50% LOL is the best FPS improvement shown.
CSGO up by almost 50%, which also saw a large increase with Zen 2.
As expected, Zen 3 is very good at gaming.
3900XT to 5900X fps 141 vs 181 in Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
28% performance gain.
Massive performance improvement, 181 vs 141 frames.
Hallock presents the 5900X vs. the 3900XT.
Boost is up though which is nice.
packaging layout appears largely the same as Matisse.
According to our info, the base clock is actually down 100 MHz, which is weird.
4.8Ghz boost on 5900X
5900X first up.
Lisa Su back on the stage.
"We will not let up"
2.8 times more efficient than 10900K.
24% power efficiency improvement compared to prev gen.
Zen 3 24% more efficient than Zen 2.
Other than the higher than expected IPC bump, none of this is too surprising.
"Effectively twice the L3 cache"
Papermaster discusses how important the new 32 MB cache is.
Well, massive for CPUs, 19% performance gain isn't all that great in the grand scheme of things.
I'm curious what benchmarks AMD ran to come up with 19%, that is massive.
"Clear desktop performance leader"
But.. how many TFLOPS? 😛
Our expectation was 15% claimed IPC uplift in integer, wonder if AMD is doing anything with that figure?
Direct Access L3 Cache for every core.
19% IPC Uplift
Wow, 19% claimed IPC uplift.
Zen 3's takeaways are more vague than Zen 2's, strange.
"same 7nm node" So, not 7N+ or 7NP?
New core layout
New cache topology
"Designers leapfrogging from one generation to another."
I believe I saw "shipping in Q4 2020" for the Zen 3 box.
Bold claims as to gaming, very hype. Show me the numbers!
"Massive changes in the core architecture."
CTO Mark Papermaster on the stage.
Increases lead in performance, efficiency, best gaming and single thread performance.
Alright Zen 3 discussion starts now.
"3rd gen Ryzen is an absolutely great gaming processor." - Lisa
"3rd gen Ryzen leads in so many areas"
Su calls Intel's progress incremental while claiming AMD's has been on a much faster track.
"PC users love Ryzen"
"Ryzen is now in many amazing notebook systems"
Su reiterates how Ryzen is designed to be the best desktop CPU ever.
This panning shot of AMD powered products does give you the sense that AMD is bigger than they seem.
Lisa Su is delivering this speech like its in front of a live in-person audience. A bit jarring.
Now XBox
Xbox Series X and S now get a mention.
Chatting up PS5 first.
Okay, a little console talk, PS5 for right now.
Using the pandemic to sell CPUs, very classy.
Lisa Su now speaking.
AMD is very good at hyping things, but once they finally come to market people usually settle down. Ryzen and Zen overall are still good of course.
2017 was a very exciting year, there was alot of hype for a CPU that wasn't terribly competitive across the board.
Okay so here's a highlight reel.
130,008 and stream just started with a 1:30 countdown.
Okay it is about to start in a minute and a half... with this very odd graphic.
AMD seems to be running a bit late, stream should have started a little bit ago.
1 minute to go.
Videocardz says the stream was prerecorded, not too shocking since AMD's not presenting to a live audience. Or, at least, that was my expectation given large audiences are fairly lethal in this year.
Videocardz says the stream was prerecorded, not too shocking since AMD's not presenting to a live audience. Or, at least, that was my expectation given large audiences are fairly lethal in this year.
https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1314232875374575616
By the way I don't believe AMD ever sent us the spec sheet the rest of the press got, we had to rely on one of our sources to fill us in.
66,129 people waiting in the livestream. Certainly a huge turnout for what amounts to a confirmation of specs we practically already know.
We've already got some refreshed/updated X570/B550 mobos being announced by motherboard makers, such as the ROG Dark Hero.
Last time we tried doing a live blog it actually crashed the website due to heavy traffic but since we've not only moved to a new host but also trimmed down the website. Hopefully this makes the live blog work much smoother than before, and so far everything seems to be working okay.
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